Comments on: Where Yo Been, Oshana? http://blog.oshana.org/where-yo-been-oshana/ A Travel Guide To Awakening & Enlightenment Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:18:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: ShivDas http://blog.oshana.org/where-yo-been-oshana/#comment-355 ShivDas Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:54:25 +0000 http://blog.oshana.org/where-yo-been-oshana/#comment-355 Hi Oshana I look forward to being with you in London in December.... YES! Hi Oshana

I look forward to being with you in London in December…. YES!

]]> By: 213.162.106.252 http://blog.oshana.org/where-yo-been-oshana/#comment-337 213.162.106.252 Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:02:22 +0000 http://blog.oshana.org/where-yo-been-oshana/#comment-337 <p>"Marriage is a public declaration of a boundary to preserve the energy between two people."</p> <p>This seems quite idealistic to me. And isn't there the danger of limiting life's possibilities? Also isn't it very possessive to say "my wife" or my "husband"? Everybody is free or not?</p> <p>I think your view is somewhat conservative... :)</p> <p>(Well, you used the word "preserve" which kind of means "conserve")</p> “Marriage is a public declaration of a boundary to preserve the energy between two people.”

This seems quite idealistic to me. And isn’t there the danger of limiting life’s possibilities? Also isn’t it very possessive to say “my wife” or my “husband”? Everybody is free or not?

I think your view is somewhat conservative… :)

(Well, you used the word “preserve” which kind of means “conserve”)

]]> By: Oshana http://blog.oshana.org/where-yo-been-oshana/#comment-332 Oshana Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:47:31 +0000 http://blog.oshana.org/where-yo-been-oshana/#comment-332 Hi Nico, I see marriage as an inner state. External contracts don't guarantee the integrity of a marriage. A marriage ritual can express an intention. However, many important rituals today have become degraded, commercialised, standardised and sanitised. Here in Finland nearly every 15 year old is desperate to attend a Christian confirmation (konfirmaatio) confession camp (rippileiri). The camp finale is a group of white smocked teenagers huddled in front of a church altar trying to sing old fashioned hymns. The implication is that they are really interested in becoming Christians. Actually most of them aren't interested. In fact some of them hate the church. So why stand there in front of God, the image of Jesus and the community making a public declaration of faith? Money!! The teen expects a big pay out from all the relatives. Sounds like a mafia initiation. And so the corruption, lying and hypocrisy becomes institutionalized. Finns generally are good, honest and sincere people. The confirmation ceremony is well intentioned - it's about showing love to kids by giving them huge amounts of money, because that's what all their friends are getting, which they have no idea what to do with, so they buy a scooter which they can't really control especially when under the influence of alcohol. But it has nothing to do with Jesus. The Lutheran Church profits handsomely by getting a percentage of everyone's monthly wages. Marriage is a public declaration of a boundary to preserve the energy between two people. Hi Nico,

I see marriage as an inner state. External contracts don’t guarantee the integrity of a marriage.

A marriage ritual can express an intention.

However, many important rituals today have become degraded, commercialised, standardised and sanitised.

Here in Finland nearly every 15 year old is desperate to attend a Christian confirmation (konfirmaatio) confession camp (rippileiri). The camp finale is a group of white smocked teenagers huddled in front of a church altar trying to sing old fashioned hymns.

The implication is that they are really interested in becoming Christians.

Actually most of them aren’t interested. In fact some of them hate the church. So why stand there in front of God, the image of Jesus and the community making a public declaration of faith?

Money!!

The teen expects a big pay out from all the relatives. Sounds like a mafia initiation. And so the corruption, lying and hypocrisy becomes institutionalized.

Finns generally are good, honest and sincere people. The confirmation ceremony is well intentioned - it’s about showing love to kids by giving them huge amounts of money, because that’s what all their friends are getting, which they have no idea what to do with, so they buy a scooter which they can’t really control especially when under the influence of alcohol. But it has nothing to do with Jesus.

The Lutheran Church profits handsomely by getting a percentage of everyone’s monthly wages.

Marriage is a public declaration of a boundary to preserve the energy between two people.

]]> By: Nico http://blog.oshana.org/where-yo-been-oshana/#comment-331 Nico Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:49:50 +0000 http://blog.oshana.org/where-yo-been-oshana/#comment-331 Hi Dave, I'm wondering what's important about marriage. If you love somebody you don't need any marriage. You have everything. Marriage seems more often than not a prison which implies a kind of ownership relationship: "You are my wife and you are not allowed to be (close) with other men." Well, if there is love there is absolutely no need for something artifical like marriage. And what if the love changes or ends?? You can never know. Anyway, apart from this :) I don't see any problem in marriage, on the contrary: if it is a celebration of love and life, well it is just that. Like an outer manifestation of the inner sense of rightness and happyness about beeing with the "right" person and maybe also a commitment to treat the other respectful and to serve them. But: why not living like this anyway, who needs a "contract" for that like marriage? And until I meet a couple for whom this is true and the above is not I see more negative than positive in marriage. Anyway, I feel myself that there might be something more, something deeper about marriage. Right now its just a feeling, I can't grasp it... love nico Hi Dave,

I’m wondering what’s important about marriage. If you love somebody you don’t need any marriage. You have everything. Marriage seems more often than not a prison which implies a kind of ownership relationship: “You are my wife and you are not allowed to be (close) with other men.” Well, if there is love there is absolutely no need for something artifical like marriage. And what if the love changes or ends?? You can never know.

Anyway, apart from this :) I don’t see any problem in marriage, on the contrary: if it is a celebration of love and life, well it is just that. Like an outer manifestation of the inner sense of rightness and happyness about beeing with the “right” person and maybe also a commitment to treat the other respectful and to serve them. But: why not living like this anyway, who needs a “contract” for that like marriage? And until I meet a couple for whom this is true and the above is not I see more negative than positive in marriage.

Anyway, I feel myself that there might be something more, something deeper about marriage. Right now its just a feeling, I can’t grasp it…

love
nico

]]>